Since pm's posting took place before he read my response, I believe he spoke prematurely. Perhaps you should finish your private exchanges before you claim anything about the results. Furthermore, I am not likely to tell you anything that isn't already published since I don't know enough about you to trust you, and I certainly don't trust the Internet to keep the communication private. You claim something is impossible without adequate support - I disagree without adequate support. Why does that make you right and me wrong? -- ----------------- \Management /\/| 216-686-0090 - PO Box 1480, Hudson, OH 44236 \ /\/ | Check out info-security heaven and test your system \/\ /\/ | for known vulnerabilities (1st time for free) at URL: \/Analytics| (scans deeper than SATAN or ISS) http://all.net:8080 ----------------- Read "Protection and Security on the Information Superhighway" John Wiley and Sons, 1995 ISBN 0-471-11389-1, 320 pp, $24.95